tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1725411122663433189.post2681393174555761103..comments2024-01-04T19:27:02.335-08:00Comments on Zenpolitics: David Cameron's 'benign' part in the 'Middle East peace process' - exchange with the BBCJohn Hilleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10072819649049077782noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1725411122663433189.post-79013105750515337032014-03-26T03:24:52.199-07:002014-03-26T03:24:52.199-07:00The BBCs distortion of truth is limitless. The min...The BBCs distortion of truth is limitless. The miners in south Yorkshire are only too aware of that. Riot police attacked unarmed strikers there in 1984. A discredited Beeb deliberately spliced the footage. It cast the miners as a rabble. Orwell could have written some home truths about the Blair Bush Corp. Jameshpj67https://www.blogger.com/profile/05790152583259661344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1725411122663433189.post-30494347597430844972014-03-23T14:58:42.524-07:002014-03-23T14:58:42.524-07:00Thanks beautiful Sakura. Yes, you couldn't mak...Thanks beautiful Sakura. Yes, you couldn't make it up about the choice and proclaimed role of the 'peace envoy'.<br /><br />John<br /><br />John Hilleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10072819649049077782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1725411122663433189.post-55297721751819409372014-03-22T07:45:26.670-07:002014-03-22T07:45:26.670-07:00Great work John.
One is left Choking half way to ...Great work John.<br /><br />One is left Choking half way to death though, at thought of the elite's War mongering peace envoy, having ANYTHING whatsoever to do with peace or the peace process.<br /><br />i agree to with the 3 process levels:first they dismiss you, then they flannel you, then they just slam the gate shut.<br /><br />Thank you for you're steadfast persistence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1725411122663433189.post-21054979486358602242014-03-21T12:31:05.274-07:002014-03-21T12:31:05.274-07:00Thanks for your great comments, all.
Some more fr...Thanks for your great comments, all.<br /><br />Some more from the Media Lens message board:<br /><br />David Macilwain:<br />Will the BBC Trust consider your points more seriously, simply by actually reading them? <br />I don't see how any of them can be disputed, but then I know that they are all true because I don't listen to the BBC! <br />Doesn't mean I don't think you should bother - I think it's vital even if endlessly aggravating like the 'peace process' itself.<br /><br />Ed:<br />Good stuff John, meticulous and honest as always<br /><br />John Hilley:<br />BBC complaints process(3 levels:first they dismiss you, then they flannel you, then they just slam the gate shut. <br /><br />Despite an initial enquiry and response, I had to submit my latest reply via the BBC webform, which needed three submissions in order to comply with the 1500 character count. <br /><br />All part of the built-in disincentives to pursuing serious complaints. <br /><br />Thanks for your comments, David and Ed. <br /><br />Cheers <br />John <br /><br />ML Editor:<br />It's like you're speaking a different language, isn't it, John? A classic BBC fake response that is actually a non-response. Reason cannot be allowed to interfere with their propaganda role. <br /><br />DE<br /><br />John Hilley:<br />Indeed, David. While always expecting Kafkaesque evasion, it's always still revealing to see the brazen extent of such contortion. <br /><br />Cheers <br />John <br /> <br />AlanG:<br />You know what you're letting yourself in for - I hope your supplies of energy, time & patience are equal to it. Please keep us posted <br /><br />Walter:<br />Great stuff John. They’re stonewalling of course, but it would not be surprising if to some degree they don’t appreciate the problem in Sophie Raworth speaking on behalf of David Cameron, if they already see no problem in themselves speaking on behalf of Sophie Raworth <br />Cheers<br /><br />John Hilley:<br />Yes, Alan, the usual marathon complaints process...As always, I use it more particularly to highlight rather than seek/expect a 'result'. <br /><br />That said, as you suggest, Walter, I think they may be forced to concede an obvious 'irregularity' in Raworth's comment. And that, of course, comes down to more than a newsreader repeating an already scripted line from an autocue. <br /><br />Cheers <br />John <br /><br />Walter:<br />Yes the highlighting of the issue is worthwhile if you can bear the tedium, and they have conceded a sort of point - but try to mask it by repeating the error; pointing to Cameron’s actions which are supposed to prove the assumption is actually true, a circular argument of course. <br /><br />More widely I think they realize they are in some kind of battle; to make the complaints as expensive (in terms of effort) to make, and also to follow, as possible. Good that you are willing to ‘stump up’ some of your time for such a broad purpose, John. I hope there is someone lined up on relief duty! Cheers <br /><br />Rhisiart Gwilym:<br />Salute to your lucidity and persistence John! You'll know, I'm sure that the Procedure is now farmed out to a nice little earner commercial smokeblowing outfit.<br /><br />Keith-264:<br />Leave out the adverbs <br />What is the BBC's [precise] evidence for this claim? <br />and keep it general <br />What is the evidence for this claim? <br />When they write that his visit to various people is the evidence, they are committing a non sequitur, because that's what they're for; they will use it in their answers too.<br /><br />John Hilley:<br />Thanks Rhis and Walter, and for that precisely measured advice from Keith ;)<br /><br />Keith:<br />;O)....<br /><br /> <br /> <br />John Hilleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10072819649049077782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1725411122663433189.post-80910805235331413792014-03-21T09:16:41.122-07:002014-03-21T09:16:41.122-07:00Hear, Hear! John. Well said as ever. Keep on at t...Hear, Hear! John. Well said as ever. Keep on at the BBC before Mr Blobby gets hold of it.Marynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1725411122663433189.post-59229679881292780262014-03-21T05:32:26.228-07:002014-03-21T05:32:26.228-07:00If Cameron was really intent on achieving a just a...<i>If Cameron was really intent on achieving a just and realisable settlement he would be advocating punitive sanctions on Israel in the way Britain threatens other countries like Iran and Russia. No such action has ever been remotely considered by the UK, even when Israel was mass bombing Gaza with white phosphorus in 2008/9. </i><br /><br />Hear! Hear!<br /><br />And as bad as the BBC is, our press in the U.S. is far worse.<br />~ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©https://www.blogger.com/profile/06252371815131259831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1725411122663433189.post-5233658467397575282014-03-21T04:36:03.315-07:002014-03-21T04:36:03.315-07:00I thought the so-called peace process had already ...I thought the so-called peace process had already been rekindled and was now waiting for Kerry's magic 'framework' to be announced. Cameron (and the BBC) ought to try to keep up.yorkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17505512735771820533noreply@blogger.com