tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1725411122663433189.post5920406300637015447..comments2024-01-04T19:27:02.335-08:00Comments on Zenpolitics: Nun-speak, none-speak - Jones, Scahill and Stop the War John Hilleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10072819649049077782noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1725411122663433189.post-64140731725513280302013-11-30T22:47:28.419-08:002013-11-30T22:47:28.419-08:00As evidenced by the likes of Jeremy Scahill, Owen ...As evidenced by the likes of Jeremy Scahill, Owen Jones, and Muhammad Idrees Ahmad et al., large sections of the Anglo-American Left are just as arrogant and delusional as their own rulers like David Cameron and Barack Obama.<br /><br />Behind all their humanitarian posturing and strident "progressive" rhetoric, this Anglo-American Left shares the same quasi-religious belief in Western moral/political superiority possessed by their OWN war criminal regimes from Tony Bliar to Dubya Bush, from Cameron to Obama.<br /><br />The Anglo-American Left are citizens of the world's greatest war criminal nations (America and Britain), which are guilty of thinly disguised wars of aggression against Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Serbia, Vietnam--to name just a few examples.<br /><br />These Anglo-American wars have murdered over a MILLION people in these nations and have been based upon propaganda deceptions like "WMDs in Iraq," the "War on Terrorism," "humanitarianism and the Responsibility to Protect," and "Defending Freedom and Democracy."<br /><br />Yet despite all these repeated crimes against humanity committed by their own nations and regimes, many Anglo-Americans delude themselves into believing they have any moral legitimacy to: <br />-Vilify foreign leaders and governments which just so happen to be on the British-American enemies list.<br />-Decide if a foreign leader is morally fit to lead, EVEN if he is supported by the majority of his own citizens.<br />-Posture as anti-war critics and activists, despite being citizens of the greatest threat to peace on the planet: the Anglo-American Empire.<br /><br />In short, these Anglo-Americans display the imperial delusion and arrogance that defined the Western Civilizing Mission and White Man's Burden of yore.<br /><br />But instead of spreading Western "civilization" or Christianizing the heathen savage, Anglo-Americans today cloak their aggressive wars and conquests behind propaganda about spreading democracy, freedom, and human rights!Terencenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1725411122663433189.post-57559714598018890682013-11-20T19:22:54.391-08:002013-11-20T19:22:54.391-08:00Reading most of these comments makes me want to te...Reading most of these comments makes me want to tear out my hair. Those who support Assad appear blind to the fact, or chose to over-look the fact that he unleashed chemical weapons on Ghouta, near Damascus, on August 21st, killing over 1.400 people, including at least 400 children. Mother Agnes immediately inserted herself into this catastrophe, asserting that the attack had been caused by "rebels" or "terrorists." United Nations-mandated experts examined the trajectories of the weapons that carried the poison gas and concluded that they could have been launched only from Assad's military sites onto rebel-held territory. No Assad supporters were killed in this atrocity, only innocent Syrians living in these areas. Human Rights Watch reached the same conclusions, based on it own information. This may be the most egregious of Mother Agnes's lies for Assad, and it galvanized a wide coalition of people to stop her speaking at a Stop the War conference, given that she supports and spreads propaganda for a mass-murderer. At the very least, it was injudicious and hypocritical of STW to invite Mother Agnes without also inviting a Syrian who would be capable of refuting her assertions. The best person to do this would be Father Paolo dell'Oglio who has worked in Syria for 30 years, fostering inter-faith dialogue and cooperation, something that Mother Agnes fails to do with her focus on Syria's Christians - whose un-elected spokeswoman she also purports to be, while supporting Assad. Father dell'Oglio was kidnapped by ISIS (an Islamist group) in Raqqa, earlier this year, so he is unavailable to repeat his earlier statements that Mother Agnes uses her religion to cloak her agenda on behalf of Assad. She also tries to make Syrian Christians believe that their salvation lies only with Assad, implying that all the opposition is anti-Christian, which is not the case. <br />Therese Rickman-Bullnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1725411122663433189.post-31596710577292922292013-11-20T05:36:35.799-08:002013-11-20T05:36:35.799-08:00Agreeing that Assad is a 'brutal dictator'...Agreeing that Assad is a 'brutal dictator' etc is a vital concession to the warmongering corporate media line. It allows 'progressive' careerists like Jones and StW's leaders to ensure that the 'anti-war' movement has no real content beyond a vague handwringing.<br /><br />I wrote to Media Lens over the same issue - ie, casually repeating lies about President Assad based on no evidence whatsoever. You can read the correspondence here.<br /><br /><a href="http://redyouthuk.wordpress.com/2013/10/11/hands-off-syria-victory-to-assad-an-exchange-between-the-cpgb-ml-and-media-lens/" rel="nofollow">http://redyouthuk.wordpress.com/2013/10/11/hands-off-syria-victory-to-assad-an-exchange-between-the-cpgb-ml-and-media-lens/</a>JBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1725411122663433189.post-77612717366689921092013-11-19T07:24:47.109-08:002013-11-19T07:24:47.109-08:00It's weird too how it becomes de rigeur to say...It's weird too how it becomes de rigeur to say that you hate Assad. why? Because talking heads said to?He's way above average when compared to most of the dictators we are allied to, in terms of appearing to sincerely care about his people, and the syrian government has socialist characteristics that are far beyond what our government has.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1725411122663433189.post-59639261921705276372013-11-18T17:28:15.795-08:002013-11-18T17:28:15.795-08:00Jeremy Scahill seems to be simply hewing to The Na...Jeremy Scahill seems to be simply hewing to The Nation’s and Democracy Now’s editorial stance. A solid wall against true solidarity or even truth seeking. It’s nothing more than a party line, as though he were a state appointed official, an apparatchik.<br /><br />We can’t view him as a supposed alternative to the MSM or even a muckraker. Affording him that status would only be useful as a veil over the ugly realities that the Democrats would rather leave covered up.<br /><br />In their hoped for ‘progressive’ paradigm we are allowed to wring our hands about the obligation to use force against ‘evil dictators’, but we can never expose the vile, underhanded ruses perpetrated by the empire which form the bases for the ‘responsibility to protect’.<br /><br />In the end it’s not so different from Bush’s Christian right or Nixon’s moral majority, interventionism with a ‘moral’ underpinning.Aletho Newshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15258376626576041549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1725411122663433189.post-4089674179307699252013-11-18T15:46:06.841-08:002013-11-18T15:46:06.841-08:00I don't support Assad.
I oppose any and all U...I don't support Assad.<br /><br />I oppose any and all U.S. "interventions" in the Middle East, though.<br /><br />How many fucking times do we have to fuck it up in the name of "humanitarian" goals, only to have it all revealed to be for oil company profits and Israel?<br /><br />Time to quit it.<br />~ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©https://www.blogger.com/profile/06252371815131259831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1725411122663433189.post-1449397106703865832013-11-18T13:50:57.077-08:002013-11-18T13:50:57.077-08:00As a supporter of Assad and one who has observe. T...As a supporter of Assad and one who has observe. The scene for the past 2years,I find these attacks on Assad absurd ;he has not been oppressing Syrians :if he was we'd not see millions rally to show support . The ones who hate Assad are those who want to attack Iran :Israel ;and rose who want a Synni only Syria run on Wahhabi lines brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17796306949045047712noreply@blogger.com